Looking to purchase a 601P

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John Kennedy
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by John Kennedy » 08 Jan 2021, 19:19


Forrest Ward
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Forrest Ward » 08 Jan 2021, 21:01

N601HB is Herb Bloom’s 601P


It has boots, alcohol windshield, and (I assume) hot props.

Can’t tell if it has ice screens, but they are a cheap addition.

It doesn’t have known ice—- no inner boots and most likely no alternative air

It has intercoolers.

I can not determine if it has the aux hydraulic pump, but I assume it does.

Same with electric door seal pump, if it doesn’t have you should budget to get one put in immediately.


It has:

AC

radar

WAAS GNS530

Radar altimeter and storm scope

By appearances it does not have installed data link weather, but a Stratux (see my post in the avionics section) feeding ADS-B data to an iPad would give the pilot traffic and strategic weather info for minimal cost.

Paint and Interior are what they are.


Things to consider:

Columbia does a good job overhauling engines.

But,

Minimal flight time since 2016.

No mention of time since overhaul on the props.

I don’t know who has been maintaining the plane.

You need to.

Assuming it hasn’t been Alan, you should plan on him doing the pre-buy inspection (and annual).

Engines are listed as “TIO-540-A”

I’m guessing the listing dealer isn’t very knowledgeable about Aerostars.

I expect this was the event that led up to the 2016 overhaul on the left engine:

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/03/p ... bravo.html
Forrest Ward
N601PE
757-472-9244
vacosvc@gmail.com

Ron Patrick
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Ron Patrick » 08 Jan 2021, 22:52

Forrest... thank you for the info & opinion. I respect your experience and I am making contact with the current owner. Wish me luck!
Ron Patrick
502-386-7715
ronpatrick143@gmail.com
N601HB (601P)
N888AB (T210M)
N52501 (C-172P)

Bobby Roe
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Bobby Roe » 15 Jan 2021, 05:34

My two cents. I see that plane’s useful load is only 1520 lbs. That means you can only take four adults 600nm with an hour of reserves. Unless there’re naked and not brining any bags. I personally don’t understand that plane, and most if not all 601P’s, unless you’re just a couple flying around.

I’m not saying don’t buy it, if it fits your mission, but don’t forget how important useful load is for not just passengers and range but also single engine performance etc.

Good luck!

Bobby

Ron Patrick
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Ron Patrick » 16 Jan 2021, 04:28

It’s a very good point. I’m torn between getting an entry lever 601P and moving up in a few years. Or waiting another year to spend money on a nice 700. 🤦‍♂️
Ron Patrick
502-386-7715
ronpatrick143@gmail.com
N601HB (601P)
N888AB (T210M)
N52501 (C-172P)

Forrest Ward
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Forrest Ward » 16 Jan 2021, 14:18

Bobby and Ron:

1500# can be plenty if you limit fuel.

My (LOP) napkin numbers for flight planning are 40 gal and 150 miles for the first hour and 30 gal and 200 miles for additional hours. I never use that much but it’s easy math, my normal VFR planned reserve is 30 gal.

That’s 100 gal or 600# leaving 900# useful.

Add another 15 gal and range goes to 450 miles with 810# for pilot, passengers and bags.

By that time someone need to use the bathroom anyway.

As for S/E performance, a 601P at gross weight is going to have negative climb until the flaps and gear are up.

A 700 at 6300 is.

A 700 at 6850 is going to perform pretty much like a 601P.

That is the situation in light piston twins.

If you want to carry a bunch of weight, go fast, and have better SE performance, get a King Air 350, they rock.




Personal insight on overweight operations:

On my RTW take off weight was well above 7,000#.

I had a waiver from the FAA to be overgross.

I didn’t have the winglets so I was unable to run LOP power settings until I was down to 6500#.

The plane flew.

It didn’t climb very well, but most legs were at FL200 and it would get there, eventually.

Crazy thing was, I had no experience with overweight ops before we left on our attempt, I could not get permission for for overweight flights unless bring overweight was necessary.

On each leg I added more gas to the bladder tank to see what would happen.

First time at Max was departing Adak, in dark (like inside a cow dark), rain, with a tailwind.

RTW record attempts necessitate acceptance of a lot more risk than would otherwise be acceptable.
Forrest Ward
N601PE
757-472-9244
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Ron Patrick
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Ron Patrick » 31 Jan 2021, 23:04

Looks like I’m going to be the new proud owner of Herme Blooms N601HB, 601P. We have a purchase agreement and I should be able to close the deal as soon as next week!
I am excited to say the least!!!!

I’ll give an update as soon as next week.
Ron ☺️
Ron Patrick
502-386-7715
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N601HB (601P)
N888AB (T210M)
N52501 (C-172P)

John Kennedy
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by John Kennedy » 01 Feb 2021, 16:00

Congrats Ron!

Hopefully you got an Aerostar shop to do your prebuy?

Have you got flight training scheduled?

Cheers,

John

Ron Patrick
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by Ron Patrick » 04 Feb 2021, 01:50

Hi John,
I’m going out next week, February 10, to do a pre-buy inspection together with Bob Pinto. If that goes without a hitch I’ll close the deal with payment, then do my training with Bob in N601HB and fly her home. Probably fly home after day 2 if the weather is good. I’m not taking a new-to-me plane into hard IFR.

So far I’ve gone through all of the ADs, studied the POH, and I have the profiles down. It should be fairly simple. I can’t wait!
Ron P
Ron Patrick
502-386-7715
ronpatrick143@gmail.com
N601HB (601P)
N888AB (T210M)
N52501 (C-172P)

John Kennedy
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Re: Looking to purchase a 601P

Post by John Kennedy » 04 Feb 2021, 20:59

Fantastic. A friend of mine flew with Bob, spoke highly of him.

What are you flying now?

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